Just my rambling thoughts about being gay and Mormon

Sunday, October 9, 2011

Talk with the Stake Pres

Well, this may turn out badly but I took a risk.  The Stake President's Exec Secretary called and wanted to set up a meeting for me with the Stake President.  I haven't been to church for a while and I'm sure someone's reported seeing me out mowing my lawn with my shirt off so I knew I was probably going to be on "the list".  I agreed to see the Stake President today and just got back.  Sure enough, he commented on me not wearing a shirt while mowing the lawn.  

Overall, I think it went reasonably well.  These things always start out a little tense with some trivial chit chat.  I was calm and had collected a few thoughts that I wanted to express to him.  I said I thought I could help him by giving him some suggestions about how to treat gay members who come to him seeking counsel. We spent most of the time talking about how the church treats gay people.  I think he was better informed when we finished.

I told him I was not particularly interested in being active in the church, holding a temple recommend or wearing garments.  I asked him why I should continue to participate in and support an organization that 1) wishes I did not exist, 2) believes I am the devil incarnate, and 3) would destroy me if it could?  He had no answer.

We talked for about 45 minutes.  I was pleased that he did not get preachy. I think he really wanted to understand.  To help him understand I left him with a copy of the DVD "Latter-Days".  That was the big risk I took.  I told him that he would not like some parts but to try and focus on the feeling and emotions of Aaron (the missionary who gets excommunicated).  I told him we could talk again after he watches it.  Will he freak out?  Will he want to excommunicate me (again) after he see's it?  Or, will his compassion toward gay members be increased?

More to come..........


  1. It's rated R, he won't watch it. ;-) let us know if he does though

  2. I am stunned that someone turned you in for mowing the yard without a shirt??? My Bishop used to do that all the time! Are we now supposed to swim fully clothed as well?

    I think if I lived in Utah I would be in danger of going postal and killing my nosy, self-righteous neighbors over junk like this. And I would enjoy it.

  3. I'm with Neal. Sounds like Mormon prude-creep is getting worse. And I'm afraid, Neal, that the answer to your question is yes, a lot of Mormons would probably prefer that everybody swam fully clothed. We're all potential walking porn, you know, given the hysterical obsession with that issue that characterizes much recent LDS instruction and sermonizing. It's stories like this that make me glad I left Utah for good when I graduated. Utah Valley in particular is getting more and more bizarre, it's a real testament to the dangers of socio-cultural inbreeding.

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